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Meeting the Moment with Anat Shenker-Osorio



The effects of Callais, and more on “Meeting the Moment” with Anat Shenker-Osorio

Meeting the Moment with Anat Shenker-Osorio


Meeting the Moment with Anat Shenker-Osorio and Andrea Pitzer

A recording from Anat Shenker-Osorio and Ruth Ben-Ghiat’s live video


This week’s “Next Comes What” focuses on the work and ideas of Anat Shenker-Osorio. A cognitive linguist, Shenker-Osorio has made a career of seeing what kinds of messaging help persuade the public to support progressive issues and candidates. Host Andrea Pitzer talks to her about the tactics activists used to win abortion rights in Argentina, and how a series of campaigns in Australia helped free people seeking asylum who were held offshore in concentration camps for years. They discuss why embracing hateful views in the name of convincing “moderates” is a dead-end strategy, because moderates—at least in the way they’re trotted out for these debates—don’t really exist.

This week in our second episode leading to the AI Doc, we are joined by Anat Shenker-Osorio, a progressive campaign strategist who hosts the Words To Win By podcast. Anat tries to focus on the positives: if you don’t think people should join the AI party, throw a better party. She gives us some quick lessons on messaging: how to paint tech CEOs as actual villains, how to flip the script and convince AI men that actually, it’s okay to die — and how to avoid what Anat refers to as ‘Mar-a-lago face’.